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Xzarr
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you sure Judgement of Blood relys on Spell hit?

If you check the links below you'll notice not one resist or miss with 0 spell hit rating.

http://wowwebstats.com/tblgioekvu1z3?ab=310
http://wowwebstats.com/cfkdeojpitrf1?ab=125
http://wowwebstats.com/bdmvtlmdwlpmu?ab=302
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Arthas&n=Requital

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 2:40 am    Post subject: Re: DPS Sticky! All u want to know about Ret PvE! Reply with quote

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Retribution DPS spreadsheets


DPS Spreadsheet Author: bellator
Imp. JotC Contribution Calculator (Excel) (OpenOffice) Author: Sigurd


in this spreadsheet theres a graph where you can see the dps increase per itempoint. Does this mean 1 Strength increases the dps for 0.5 (e.g.) or what does this itempoint mean?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 5:04 am    Post subject: Re: DPS Sticky! All u want to know about Ret PvE! Reply with quote

aeblyn wrote:
Cromfel wrote:


Retribution DPS spreadsheets


DPS Spreadsheet Author: bellator
Imp. JotC Contribution Calculator (Excel) (OpenOffice) Author: Sigurd


in this spreadsheet theres a graph where you can see the dps increase per itempoint. Does this mean 1 Strength increases the dps for 0.5 (e.g.) or what does this itempoint mean?


It means for X amount of a stat, your DPS increases Y amount.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 6:12 am    Post subject: Re: DPS Sticky! All u want to know about Ret PvE! Reply with quote

Sigurd wrote:
aeblyn wrote:
Cromfel wrote:


Retribution DPS spreadsheets


DPS Spreadsheet Author: bellator
Imp. JotC Contribution Calculator (Excel) (OpenOffice) Author: Sigurd


in this spreadsheet theres a graph where you can see the dps increase per itempoint. Does this mean 1 Strength increases the dps for 0.5 (e.g.) or what does this itempoint mean?


It means for X amount of a stat, your DPS increases Y amount.


i can't imagine that. For example this would mean that 1 str would only bring 0,51 dps and 1 ap would bring 0,46?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 6:31 am    Post subject: Re: DPS Sticky! All u want to know about Ret PvE! Reply with quote

aeblyn wrote:
Sigurd wrote:
aeblyn wrote:
Cromfel wrote:


Retribution DPS spreadsheets


DPS Spreadsheet Author: bellator
Imp. JotC Contribution Calculator (Excel) (OpenOffice) Author: Sigurd


in this spreadsheet theres a graph where you can see the dps increase per itempoint. Does this mean 1 Strength increases the dps for 0.5 (e.g.) or what does this itempoint mean?


It means for X amount of a stat, your DPS increases Y amount.


i can't imagine that. For example this would mean that 1 str would only bring 0,51 dps and 1 ap would bring 0,46?


Er wait, my mistake. It relates to ItemCost
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 6:51 am    Post subject: Re: DPS Sticky! All u want to know about Ret PvE! Reply with quote

Sigurd wrote:

Er wait, my mistake. It relates to ItemCost


is this an addon? or how could i transform this into 1 statpoint = x DPS?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Newbie question about Bellator's spreadsheet. How do I set the enchants and the gems? Each time I try to "correct gems" I get the depurator...and doing some maths I feel they are already included in the total AP calculation.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does rank 1 consecrate not add considerable damage to the mix?

I fix it into my rotation in my gear and am able to have it tick between 57-60 every dot tick on the target with judgement of the crusader

for 120 mana is it not worth adding into the rotation?
EDIT: Targets without jotc tick for approximately 20/second
Also, though this is only my speculation the spell seems to benefit more from the +holy damage on jotc/libram of zeal than from +spelldamage
Also... if consecrate is truly not worth using simply because of the mana cost and a sustainable mana supply... how about some statistics to back it up?

Edit2: And yeah.. just seems to me for clarification purposes you should compare the benefit on stacking tiered pve ret gear versus equivalent dps plate (the benefits of having spell power versus that extra attackpower/crit/strength
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Turgon wrote:
Does rank 1 consecrate not add considerable damage to the mix?

I fix it into my rotation in my gear and am able to have it tick between 57-60 every dot tick on the target with judgement of the crusader

for 120 mana is it not worth adding into the rotation?
EDIT: Targets without jotc tick for approximately 20/second
Also, though this is only my speculation the spell seems to benefit more from the +holy damage on jotc/libram of zeal than from +spelldamage
Also... if consecrate is truly not worth using simply because of the mana cost and a sustainable mana supply... how about some statistics to back it up?

Edit2: And yeah.. just seems to me for clarification purposes you should compare the benefit on stacking tiered pve ret gear versus equivalent dps plate (the benefits of having spell power versus that extra attackpower/crit/strength


Ya my rank 1 is ticking for 77damage/sec with Libram, Season 2 gloves and 2 peice T4. (+334 Holy Damage to Judged Target) Gives me a little over 700 spell damage vs target self buffed.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Darkovan wrote:
Turgon wrote:
Does rank 1 consecrate not add considerable damage to the mix?

I fix it into my rotation in my gear and am able to have it tick between 57-60 every dot tick on the target with judgement of the crusader

for 120 mana is it not worth adding into the rotation?
EDIT: Targets without jotc tick for approximately 20/second
Also, though this is only my speculation the spell seems to benefit more from the +holy damage on jotc/libram of zeal than from +spelldamage
Also... if consecrate is truly not worth using simply because of the mana cost and a sustainable mana supply... how about some statistics to back it up?

Edit2: And yeah.. just seems to me for clarification purposes you should compare the benefit on stacking tiered pve ret gear versus equivalent dps plate (the benefits of having spell power versus that extra attackpower/crit/strength


Ya my rank 1 is ticking for 77damage/sec with Libram, Season 2 gloves and 2 peice T4. (+334 Holy Damage to Judged Target) Gives me a little over 700 spell damage vs target self buffed.



Yeah, I'm fairly certain that JotC adds a significant amount more dps to consecrate than your spelldamage gear? How much does it tick for without JotC? I only have 132 spell damage in my pve ret gear and it's ticking for 60 with jotc (yeah, I have imp talent & the libram)
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't make this thing work like I want it to Sad The click buttons doesn't work, the graph doesn't work. /cry
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I posted this on EJ a couple of days back, but figured this was a suitable place to post as well :

Tool to compare weapons after entering your stats :

http://www.savefile.com/files/1177458

Looks something like this at the moment :



The Buffs and Debuffs section is not done yet.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cromfel i know you raid pretty far as RET and i was wondering if you would be able to add some Retribution Benchmarks for various stages of progression?

For example in Karazhan the numbers i hear alot are 1400 AP and 25% crit minimum. (Not sure about Hp/Mana values though)

I would personally find it very helpful ^^. I think alot of other paladins would as well. As they usually seem to wonder whether or not they should drop crit for ap or vice versa.

Not a set in stone value but rather a general idea of where one should be for a given stage of progression ^^.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:16 pm    Post subject: Adding items Reply with quote

Sorry but im a total noob at spreadsheets, but is there any way to add new items to the dps spreadsheet? I would like to add all of the badges rewards, but in particular the legs, to see if i could negate spending points in the precision talent.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cromfel, could you get Bellator to update his spreadsheet with +10 Haste enchant for helm (Libram of Rapidity) and +10 haste to gloves?

Also, give Rings the ability to be enchanted with +2 weapon damage or +4 stats or +12 spell damage?

Otherwise amazing spreadsheet (I think I am the only person who used +10 haste gloves/helm enchants, just want to see the comparison).
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